Talk:WikiBound/Archive 1

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just so you know.
Often, there's an independent page for general-wiki-talk. This page is usually about the main page itself. It's OK with me, we just need to be prepared to explain the difference; just in case.WikiSysop 16:26, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Two things!
The first is about enemies. Right now we have everything having separate pages, though personally I think we could probably merge some of them... namely similar enemy families, like the Ramblin' Shrooms, Mooks, Smilin' Spheres and everyone else who just has the same sprite with recolored palettes/boosted stats and stuff. There's not really much to say about them, other than some sort of infobox with stats and PSI weaknesses/resistances..

The second iiiis! Would anyone mind if I were to create some infoboxes and templates and stuff? :D I was mostly thinking of character/location infoboxes, or maybe an enemy one too. I just wanted to ask first so people wouldn't be like "WHAT'S THIS CRAZY WOMAN DOING???". XD; Tina 00:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I really do think the enemy articles could be merged. I just created them right now because New Age Retro Hippie was there. Infoboxes I wouldn't mind. Probably because I don't have any authority. I don't think many would mind though, because this wiki really is just two people regularly editing right now, that being me and the Admin Tacopill. A 00:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No one would mind....being there are only 3 editors, and they are all right here. Any, i like the template designs. Are they original, or imported? O, and please don't forget to add a /doc page. Tacopill 15:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Template:EarthBound characters and Template:Mother 3 characters look exactly the same. So, i was wondering if there should be a core template that is filled in with the usage templates individual data? 04:37, 11 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Actually, that's not a bad idea... plus it'd make modifying designs between navigation templates a lot easier (the current colors are kind of a placeholder of sorts, unless everyone ends up being okay with them after expanding a little.). :O Tina 04:59, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, i created this and redid this. What do you think? Tacopill 23:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Looks good! I'll go ahead and change the other navigation templates to use the core, then. Tina 00:04, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Happy to help. Tacopill 00:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC).


 * Here's a question though. There are a few exceptions to the enemies being recolors, such as Claymen having a more powerful Forlorn Junk Heap variation. This being, it's similar in style, and it's technically the same species, but it's nonetheless different. Would this mean we would merge it with the Clayman article as a sub-category of Claymen, or just keep it different? My same question goes for any other "more powerful, similar, not the same" enemies. Worthless Protoplasm 11:35, 19 November 2010 (MST)
 * This conversation is largely out of date, all enemies have their own articles now. So the Clayman and the Forlorn Junk Heap would have separate articles. 12:57, 19 November 2010 (MST)

Please check out my talk page.
User_talk:Tacopill. Tacopill 06:37, 16 September 2010 (UTC).

To help with the new admins
To help you new admins, i've set up Help:Contents with my recommended pages. Please take time to help fill them out, as i believe this will help you guys be admins now and in the future. Please note: In doing so, i do ask you do not copy from other wikis. You are free to look to wikipedia and the other NIWA wiki's for ideas, suggestions and inspirations, but don't blindly copy and page from them. Adapt the information to our wiki, and source places you went to for help. Here is a tool you can use in this goal. Good luck, Tacopill 11:26, 17 September 2010 (MDT).

Positions in the Wiki
Due to me leaving to see some friends tomorrow, i thought it would be a good time to reveal this:

In terms of Chain-of-Command, it's this:

This way the person in charge of the wiki always has someone to step in in their absence, and that person always has two people to help them out.

Please Note: Over time, the current positions will become more specific, as new positions are created and responsibilities delegated. If you have any suggestions on how i can improve upon this, then please tell me.

and i hope you like this, everyone. Tacopill 14:37, 28 September 2010 (MDT).
 * Thank you very much for the Editor-in-Chief position! Have fun on your trip, too.
 * I promise to have at least some policies and help pages written up while you're gone. Really! 8( → T inā  ♫ δ 16:19, 28 September 2010 (MDT)
 * No problem, and thank you.
 * This sounds good. Talk to Metroid King for help elaborating and expanding the policy pages.
 * Also, while editing, i recommend you check out restricted-pages like Special:ReplaceText. Tacopill 16:38, 28 September 2010 (MDT).

domain
So......what do you guys think would be domain. is available, and so is,  ,   and. What do you guys think? Tacopill 10:25, 5 October 2010 (MDT).
 * I like wikibound.info, personally, since it'd get results for "EarthBound info" and the like (I think?). Although I've been always fond of .org URLs for some reason, too. :P → T inā  ♫ δ 10:44, 5 October 2010 (MDT)
 * I don't think URLs change search results. Regardless I think it should have .info, .net, or .org, as .biz is more for for-profit sites, and .us wouldn't really fit with the wiki aspect; anyone in the world, regardless the country, can edit wikis. Personally, I'm for the .net suffix. A 14:08, 5 October 2010 (MDT)
 * Hmmm... .net is good, too. And I meant that search engines would see the 'info' in the site's URL, so if someone were to search "EarthBound info" or something like that, it would be more likely to pop up...? I'm not sure. I just remember hearing the logic somewhere. → T inā  ♫ δ 14:51, 5 October 2010 (MDT)

Galleries
TW, an admin at LW, has started to making Gallery pages on the various characters, games, etc. Do you guys think doing this on WB would be helpful for us? Tacopill 13:20, 13 October 2010 (MDT).
 * Potentially, I guess. The Mother series doesn't get much artwork, though, outside of like... clay figures for the main characters, and SSB. But I would imagine that most artwork could easily fit on a gallery on their own page.
 * Unless game screenshots would count, too, since I know Mother 3 (not so much the other two, though) has a ton of sprites for everything. Or having a picture of every collectible photo from EB! And so on. → T inā  ♫ δ 14:12, 13 October 2010 (MDT)
 * Sounds good. If you do decide to go for it, how would you think it should be named? here are some option i can think of for a Ness Page:
 * Gallery:Ness - create a new namespace (like Mario Wiki, Zelda Wiki and Metroid Wiki)?
 * Ness/Gallery - create a subpage (like Sonic the Wiki)
 * Gallery of Art focusing on Ness - no other wiki has this!
 * Tacopill 14:55, 13 October 2010 (MDT).
 * I like Ness/Gallery the most, personally. I don't think it would be worth it to make an entirely new namespace that would be used for probably like... three characters. :P Short and to the point, too. → T inā  ♫ δ 15:01, 13 October 2010 (MDT)
 * Sounds good. Feel free to implement it if and when you choose. Tacopill 15:05, 13 October 2010 (MDT).

Discussion Center
This wiki could use a discussion center (similar to the one here for users to talk about basic things around the wiki. I'm proposing something along the lines of Community Center, but does anyone have any opinions as to what its name should be if it is made? 14:56, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * I like 'Community Center', personally. Either that, or we could go with a fun EB-related name (something preferably known as a social area... Club Titiboo? haha). A discussion center would be a very good idea, though, and would make things a tad more organized with more general wiki topics.
 * I would avoid using the word 'forum', however, just because it makes it sound more like it's a general forum for EB stuff as opposed to wiki topics. → T inā  ♫ δ 15:01, 7 November 2010 (MST)

Extensions
Uhm, just a small request to whoever is handling the technical on this wiki. Could you update the SidebarDonateBox, Wiki Category Tag Cloud, and WikiVid extensions. Those e-mails and urls showing up in Special:Version are dead, I'd like to avoid them floating around. Also Wiki Category Tag Cloud has actually been moved to the wikimedia svn the more up to date version is there. Also WikiVid was never finished, I wouldn't recommend installing it, iirc I never even implemented the ability to delete things. Dantman 21:21, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * Are you speaking of the Grifkuba Wiki as the link from the sidebar donation as the one being out of date? Because i plan on getting back to it, one day. Also, i find it cool that the designer of a wiki extension has come to our wiki (you did say I never even implemented the ability to delete things, which means, you were going to implement it. *laughs*) But seriously, this is my understanding of your suggestions:
 * Update: SidebarDonateBox, Wiki Category Tag Cloud,
 * Remove: WikiVid
 * Am i correct? Tacopill 21:34, 7 November 2010 (MST).


 * Heh, of course I was going to implement the ability to delete things, just never got to it... WikiVid is a dead project, it's one of the plethora of projects I started, never finished, and probably will never pick up again (I like to experiment, but generally don't finish big things I start myself unless there's something strong backing them). -- Actually, I did some stuff in core as well... you know how after you rollback you see a diff of what you just rolled back? that's one of the things I added. Refactored EditPage and made $wgSharedTables too. -- But ya, though more like:
 * Update: SidebarDonateBox
 * Update to Wikimedia version: WikiCategoryTagCloud
 * Remove: WikiVid
 * I like playing with advanced things and dislike seeing substandard MediaWiki installs that could be improved so I was just scanning the niwa wikis and thinking of starting up a thread in the forum giving some tips on things that could be fixed, just posted here cause I noticed dead e-mails on some of my extensions (I don't use telus anymore). Dantman 21:45, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * Wait, so you are the actual author of said extensions? .... that's so cool! Anyway, i am taking care of the File's now. I hope you stick around. Tacopill 21:55, 7 November 2010 (MST).
 * I'm actually not much of a gaming wiki's person, I usually focus on animanga related wiki. Dantman 22:29, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * It's fine. Are you an admin any wiki's in the animanga area? Tacopill 22:33, 7 November 2010 (MST).
 * Founded the Animepedia which died and became the Animanga Wiki, the Narutopedia, and the Soul Eater Wiki. Also tried founding a few other dead wiki like Mar and O-Parts Hunter. Plenty of "sysop" flags lying around on various animanga related wiki. Dantman 22:36, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * Cool. Do you know if any of them are seeking independence? Tacopill 22:42, 7 November 2010 (MST).
 * Narutopedia's survey of the wider community didn't end up favorable right now. Soul Eater has lost it's activity lately. Animanga is, well... moving somewhere else might not work out, it's really a hub. Oh right, I brought up the Dragonball Wiki as well before nonoitall take over. They're having talks with FUNimation. Dantman 22:46, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * Ah, OK. If any of them do choose independence, please give me a holler. I'd like to get involved in the conversation, and possibly offer them a hosting option in the future. Tacopill 22:49, 7 November 2010 (MST).
 * heh, the ones thinking of moving are extremely high traffic, shared hosting won't cut it in any way. I'd probably be directly involved in whatever hosting they end up with. Dantman 22:53, 7 November 2010 (MST)

What Other hosting options are there? I hear rackspacing, is 22 cents a gig of transfer data. The reason i am asking is, i am looking for a cheaper alternative to Bluehost, and i was hoping you may have a suggestion. Tacopill 23:09, 7 November 2010 (MST).
 * Switching to rackspacecloud you have to change your thinking, it's not about the price but the type of hosting. Shared hosting and vps/dedicated/cloud are fundamentally different things. I'm one for cloud hosting myself, I'm using rackspacecloud right now and we're using at work too, picked it out from other cloud hosts because the base prices for the smallest instances are the cheapest (most of what we're doing is in development, not production yet so dev leans in favor of cheaper prices). Though I've been looking into other hosts for production (the proportional ram/disk lock on rackspace isn't quite what you want on real cloud hosting), iirc Elastic Hosts looked like it had interesting potential. Dantman 23:25, 7 November 2010 (MST)
 * Cool, and Thank you for getting back to me on this. I definitely have more information on what to look for. Tacopill 23:33, 7 November 2010 (MST).

Interwiki Standards
NIWA recently did a staff release agreeing to have the interwiki links across all wiki's be the same to make it easier for those who help out multiple wiki's as well as the new users on each prospective wiki.

Here is the table as it is now:

In addition to using these links, we are free to use additional prefixes like Bulba: and BP: and Bulbapedia: for bulbapedia. Which means we have the following choice to make:


 * 1) We change all interwiki links to the standard and only use the standard from that point on.
 * 2) We use acronyms in addition to the standard and then the editor chooses which code to use.

There are pro's and con's to each one, so before implementing it, i am giving you guys a chance to discuss which way we should go (unless i am overridden :D ). See for Lylat Wiki's discussion. Tacopill 11:09, 9 November 2010 (MST).
 * I would just use the standard and then stick with that, it's a lot less confusing and it's more to the point as to what it leads to. It'd stay the same with link templates, as well (so instead of typing, say... I dunno, Lucas it would be ?) There's also no trying to wrestle with sites that share similar acronyms or trying to abbreviate it and have it still make sense. A tad longer, but it doesn't hurt very much to type an extra couple letters. → T inā  ♫ δ 11:48, 9 November 2010 (MST)
 * sounds good. Do we want to go with interwiki templates, like BP and ZW has (minus the icons ZW putting in)? Tacopill 09:59, 18 November 2010 (MST).
 * That's what I meant by link templates. :P Interwiki/link templates are very handy to have, so I'd implement them personally. 10:18, 18 November 2010 (MST)
 * Yea, i figured that's what you meant. Just wanted to make sure.
 * Anyway, i will insert the information in the the database. And then run text replaces on the pages to change them over. Tacopill 10:28, 18 November 2010 (MST). Tacopill 10:28, 18 November 2010 (MST).

We are moving
Sorry for the short notice, but....we are moving! Our new address will be wikibound.info. If you need to know why this is happening, please ask me after we move. Tacopill 15:11, 4 December 2010 (MST).

Coupla little things

 * 1) It's generally "Super Smash Bros." and not "Super Smash Brothers" in the same way nobody would say "Super Mario Brothers"... (I'd change it myself, but the Main Page is appropriately locked.)
 * 2) Toto exists, so you might want to take it off the "wanted articles" thing.
 * 3) For the Help namespace, you may want to check out the SmashWiki help section, which I overhauled upon joining NIWA. If you'd like to adapt the content therein or would like me to, feel free to do so or ask. Miles of SmashWiki 12:50, 28 December 2010 (MST)
 * Took care of the first two. It would be nice if we could adapt the content and overhaul the help system we have here, though. I do like SmashWiki's help pages a lot, they look very helpful and simple for new users to grasp. 14:08, 28 December 2010 (MST)

I noticed on Special:Upload, I can't upload images by URL as I can on SmashWiki. I compared both sites' extension lists and can't figure out why. This is a big timesaver that I would think a wiki that's short on images (as WikiBound seems to be) would want. Any ideas how to get it? Miles ( talk)  17:05, 29 December 2010 (MST)
 * It's an option in LocalSettings.php, I believe. I can't change that myself, however. Gotta ask tacopill since he's the server guy.... 17:17, 29 December 2010 (MST)
 * It is an option, but is disabled to start off with. Tacopill 20:18, 29 December 2010 (MST).

Background of the mainpage template thing.
Right now, the background of the template (In between trivia, featured picks, ect.) is a plain white. It kinda makes it look weird. If it matched the orange border, it would look a bit better. /aestheticsgeek Shayminguy7 10:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)
 * I've been meaning to tweaking the Main Page's colors a little more, since it's sorta mis-matched with the rest of the site right now. A colored background for the template would probably look better, I agree. I'll keep that in mind! :D 17:13, 13 January 2011 (MST)

Good news everyone!
Good news everyone! What do you guys think? Tacopill 22:19, 8 April 2011 (MDT).
 * 1) I am currently looking into the possibility of getting hosting for not only WikiBound, but for other wiki's that i know are looking for hosting and someone with server-side experience.
 * 2) In addition, after the hosting and everything is set up, i was considering taking on an apprentice of sorts, to help out on the server-side, with the eventual goal of possibly succeeding me as the site's technician.
 * So, no one is interested... :(. Tacopill 14:06, 7 May 2011 (MDT).

StrategyWiki Partnership
So, I have started discussions with StrategyWiki about a possible partnership which would allow this wiki to use their logo, link to them more formally and for them to link back to us. But, how do we want to go about it? Tacopill 12:00, 7 May 2011 (MDT).
 * I'm not quite sure how a topic from 5 months ago that lasted two posts is starting a discussion, but it could be easily revived, I guess. lol
 * I'm frankly still a little nervous about the idea, however- we're still very bare on game mechanics and it'd only lead to frustration for people reading SW and going here for 'more detailed info', only to not find it here. While it could potentially lead to editors filling in that information, for the casual reader, it's just plain irritating. 19:31, 7 May 2011 (MDT)
 * Yea, i have told them via skype that i am still interested and did so multiple times over the last couple of months. Which is pretty much why i started posting here: if i can spark some kind of interest on our end. :). Tacopill 12:08, 8 May 2011 (MDT).

WikiBound going down this weekend
Hey guys, i have plans on moving the wiki sometime during the weekend to a new server (unless something comes up that prevents me from doing so). So, please do what you want or need to on Friday, expecting that Saturday for it to be down. Sorry if this is short notice and for the inconvenience. Tacopill 13:59, 2 June 2011 (MDT).
 * Just so you guys are aware.... we haven't moved yet. I am awaiting the database from Yusei, our current webmaster......Other than that, the new server space is set up and all. :). Tacopill 12:57, 7 June 2011 (MDT).

recent server issues
As you may have been seen, we have had recently been dealing with new server issues due to recent websites that have transferred on to it. Rest assured that I am looking into the cause and will have it fixed as soon as possible. Tacopill 08:14, 8 November 2011 (EST).

A little trivia thing...
If it's not obvious, I'm new to this Wiki, and... I happened to notice that the hot spring music (The Water's Great) and Salsa's dance music (Laugh! Be Happy!) are remixes of each other, to an extent... Could someone consider putting that into Template:Main Page/Trivia? Thanks.

SNessie 05:43, 13 December 2011 (EST)
 * Actually, a lot of Mother 3's music is a remix of one-another if you listen close, so Imho I don't think that's main page worthy. (For an example: Monkey's Love Song and Ragtime Osohe.) Multus 17:45, 13 December 2011 (EST)

huge amount of user creations
Since noticing this, there were a spam of accounts on the recent changes. Can anybody take care of that? ..... (talk) 12:22, 8 June 2012 (EDT)
 * We're aware! It's being difficult to deal with, and we kinda have to deal with the spam of accounts for a while until we can upgrade our account creation spam filter or something. But it's better than them making new pages all over the place, I guess. 14:07, 8 June 2012 (EDT)

Mother/EarthBound Zero 23rd anniversary
If someone has time, try putting this up on the news. ..... (talk) 11:22, 27 July 2012 (EDT)
 * Oh holy dang, I completely forgot to update this. :( quietly goes to update the news and hopes that no one noticed how late this was. 18:04, 29 July 2012 (EDT)

MRS SATurn vandalism
The entire Ness page has been replaced with two or three sentences. I don't have any powr to rollback or anything like that. Someone please get on that if possible Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) 13:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I've been undoing individual article changes myself Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) 13:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

IN all of the pages that that she has vandalized, she has recommended deleted, please don't
 * Blocked them, apologies for not getting to that sooner. I'd recommend leaving a message on my talk page if there's a problem for the future, I think I might be the person who checks the wiki the most these days, so getting a big orange notice to bring my attention would be a good idea. ~ platinatina  (talk • contribs) 16:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright thanks. I just recently joined this wiki, so I'm not familiar with all of the admins on the site. I informed Miles, because I knew him from Smash Wiki Gpev96 (SHAZAM!) 13:38, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Advertisements
In order to support the upkeep of the server, we're asking the sites we're hosting if they would be willing to host advertisements. We're looking to have two to three ads on each site - one at the top and bottom of the content area, and possibly one in the sidebar, but this can be negotiated. All money raised will go towards the cost of the server/hosting and domain names. This won't affect the day-to-day running of the site in any way. Please discuss this, and let me know if you're okay with ads being placed on the site. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask me. Thank you, Moydow (talk) 21:02, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Mother 4
Should there be any coverage of well-made fangames (at least ones that aren't romhacks, e.g. Mother 4 or Cognitive Dissonance)? I mean, the series is most likely never going to continue, leaving us with a grand total of three games to talk about, leaving the wiki to just sort of die. Niiue (talk) 03:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC) i agree Motherfan101 (talk) 19:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Earthbound Beginnings Release
Mother has been released in North America and Europe as Earthbound Beginnings for a total of two weeks now; as it's a huge event for the Earthbound/Mother community, it's pretty important that it gets covered in the news on the home page. Also, Lucas came back to Smash Bros. on the same day. Thanks. -Peanutcheesebar (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2015 (UTC)